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Christianity and Science, Creationism, Young Earth Creationism

The Life Dialogue: Young Earth Creationism 2

This is part of a series of posts on the “Life Dialogue” within Christianity. Check out other posts in the series here.

I realized as I was reading for this post that I, for some reason, have misrepresented and misinterpreted some of the evidences and arguments of Young Earth Creationism (hereafter YEC). I wrote before that a problem with YEC was “Where is the positive case? Rather than attacking all other views, where is the scientific case building bottom up a YEC explanation of the universe? I think this is absolutely essential for YEC to offer any competition [to other theories].” The problem with my questions is that YEC takes it as given that it already has a case. Not that this case is testable by scientific means, but that the case is simply built upon Scriptural interpretation. This is why, I believe, advocates of YEC most often simply attack competing theories rather than presenting their own. It is a presupposition that YEC provides the paradigm case for the origins of life and the universe.

The issue can (and, I believe, should) still be pressed: what is the case for YEC that can be discussed even among those who may not believe Christianity, let alone theism? The answer, I’ve found, is going to hinge upon The Flood (Genesis 6 and following). Von Fange writes that “These two models of what the early earth was like are gradualism for the evolutionist, and catastrophism, such as Noah’s flood, for the creationist” (161). Once again, it seems that it is a matter of taking the same data and interpreting it differently. The difference in interpretation is incredibly vast. Other versions of the “Life Dialogue” (as I’ve dubbed it) rely on long periods of time, whereas YEC argues that it is instead massive, catastrophic events in the history of Earth which have shaped the world geologically, anthropologically, biologically, etc.

The key is granting that The Flood was truly a completely catastrophic, worldwide event. This seems to me to be the most natural and clear interpretation of the Genesis account of The Flood. Granting that there was a worldwide flood of this magnitude, what does that mean for the world? Such a flood would have absolutely destroyed the world. This would have included the leveling of mountains, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, continents subsiding, and more unimaginable devastation (Rehwinkel, 286ff). Further, the amount of sediment that would be deposited by this worldwide flood would have been incredibly large (Rehwinkel, 288ff). The Flood could have carved canyons and presented the appearance of sedimentation that would parallel that which occurs over long periods of time (Morris). Fossils would be expected throughout this sedimentation for the obvious reason that the entirety of the world was under water. Not only that, but it would have reshaped the planet’s land masses, which would have had catastrophic effects on ecosystems upon the resurfacing of the continents (Rehwinkel, 287).

Thus, again it seems as though YEC depends thoroughly upon the account of The Flood and interpretations of what exactly such a Flood could do to the world. I don’t find this to be a weakness for the YEC position, but rather a great strength. It seems to me as though the YEC position is most capable of dealing with the Genesis account of The Flood, as well as what that would mean to the world. Further, interpreting various scientific discoveries through these lenses is what allows for proponents of YEC to argue for their position. It should also be noted that this proposition of The Flood is taken in conjunction with the belief that God created a “complete world” in the sense that it would have been already prepared for life–which includes the belief that the world was created with continents, bodies of water, and the like already formed (Rehwinkel, 283-284). This conjunction of beliefs provides a powerful theological argument for YEC.

The main problem with such an explanation of the age of the earth is that it seems to contain no ability to establish credibility in the scientific community at large. Such an account cannot be tested as it stands. I think there are prospects for YEC to present a testable model, but I still know of no such model. Such a model, were it to be created, would include predictions related to the effects of the flood, along with predictions for the condition of the universe being pre-made for human habitation. Reading from Rehwinkel in particular gave me much to think about as I’m evaluating all sides of this debate. The conjunction of The Flood with a “complete world” seems to have great explanatory power in theological terms.

Sources:

Morris, Dr. John D. “Lessons from Mount St. Helens.” http://www.icr.org/article/lessons-from-mount-st-helens/.

Rehwinkel, Alfred. The Flood. Concordia Publishing House. 1951.

Von Fange, Erich. In Search of the Genesis World: Debunking the Evolution Myth. Concordia Publishing House. 2006.

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J.W. Wartick has an MA in Christian Apologetics from Biola University. His interests include theology, philosophy of religion--particularly the existence of God--astronomy, biology, archaeology, and sci-fi and fantasy novels.

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5 thoughts on “The Life Dialogue: Young Earth Creationism 2

  1. You wrote: “The key is granting that The Flood was truly a completely catastrophic, worldwide event. This seems to me to be the most natural and clear interpretation of the Genesis account of The Flood. Granting that there was a worldwide flood of this magnitude, what does that mean for the world?”

    I was writing some objection I thought of — but then found this site and it already does a good job: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

    Until I see some scenario that would generate the amount of water needed AND keep it from running back to the ocean, I don’t think that science could support a literal flood story.

    P.S. Here is one hypothesis of a relatively large but local flood that could be the inspiration for the flood story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_theory

    Posted by Tim Folkerts | April 27, 2010, 10:54 PM
    • Thanks for your comments, I always find they cause me to further explore the issues.

      I read through the sites you linked and I think that while they do raise valid points, one who advocates YEC could definitely get around the points in the first link by simply appealing to divine intervention. How did the animals get to the ark? Divine intervention. How did they eat? Divine intervention. Where did the water come from? Divine intervention… etc. etc. I realize this isn’t exactly explorable scientifically, but that’s not what YEC is really aiming for, which is something I realized more as I’ve been doing reading for this whole series. YEC in particular isn’t trying to compete on a scientific level, it’s competing theologically. Advocates of YEC take their stand on theology, not science. Thus, in order to threaten the YEC position, one must offer competing models that have equally or more valid theological interpretations of Genesis, along with a perhaps superior scientific base. Only a theological challenge can assault YEC. This is what I believe about YEC, anyway, after reading more of the literature.

      Thus, questions like those asked on the talk origins faq would not challenge the belief in YEC, as they don’t challenge the theological presuppositions of the YEC position. It’s something I’m still struggling to fit my mind around in some ways.

      As far as the Black Sea deluge theory which you linked, I should first note that I’ve read about it before, but I don’t think I know enough to really make any kind of comments on it other than very broad ideas. I think it meshes very well with an Old Earth scenario, such as Hugh Ross’s RTB model, which I have written about for both of my posts on OEC… it also would mesh with TE or ID, for it would allow for the Genesis flood account to meld with these other beliefs. YEC would again take a theological stance, asserting that it implies a universal flood in the worldwide, rather than local, sense. So it seems to me that again I have evidence from the literature I’ve read on YEC: it would take a presuppositionalist approach to attack the YEC model, a scientific account cannot threaten it, as it’s not really trying to be a scientific model (though YEC’s definitely utilize scientific arguments–ignoring potential debates about ‘pseudoscience’), it’s a theological model.

      The main point I’m trying to make is that YEC isn’t so much a scientific model as it is a methodology. It presupposes a theological framework and works from that, rather than any other way to conduct such research.

      Posted by J.W. Wartick | April 27, 2010, 11:52 PM
  2. I am a firm believer in YEC. I believe it to be theologically ‘sound’
    I do not believe there is credible ‘scientific evidence’ for an OEC.
    Speculation, yes, but no concrete scientific evidence.
    That is why theologically speaking, we need to take the biblical account seriously.

    I do not believe in theistic evolution.[this is, in my opinion, an uneducated poor man’s two-way bet]

    I would hazard a guess, that those who believe in theistic evolution, would also be attracted to the concept of ‘universalism’

    And the bible clearly states that it is incorrect.

    Posted by david | September 13, 2012, 5:15 AM

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